Positive Atheism....whats positive about it?

"James Patrick Holding is a pseudonym used by Robert Turkel to write website articles in defense of biblical inerrancy. For some reason, he doesn't want his real identity to be known, even though almost everyone familiar with his attempts to reply to articles written by Jeff Lowder, Brian Holtz, Earl Doherty, and me (among other skeptics) knows what his real name is. His rationale for concealing his identity was that he worked as a librarian in a prison, so he was afraid that if he wrote under his real name, inmates upon their release might seek vengeance on him for "disciplinary reports" he had written. He was never able to explain why using a phony name to write internet articles, which prison inmates would have no access to, was going to protect him from vengeance seeking ex-inmates who from daily contacts with him while they were in prison already knew his real name." Farrell Till from "'James Patrick Holding,' the Want-to-Be Apologist"

"I confess, however, to being a total computer dummy.

Yes, he is sensitive; he told me I had insulted and offended him, and so he had blocked any further e-mail from me, as if I care. Well, I wasn't "nice"; I did let him have it. I don't want to brag, but probably I'm the "meanest" he's ever dealt with. I simply told him if he can use the alias James Patrick Holding, well then, so can I! So off I went! I really dumped on some conservative groups online, referring all their complaints right straight back to him, with a note how my new, improved Holding made far better use of scatology.

He threatened to sue; I told him to go ahead." Reynolds

"Regarding James Patrick Holding:

By his own admission to me, this is but one of the aliases he uses. Maybe his real name is Robert Trukel, maybe that also is an alias.

He refuses to reveal his real name. He claims he was or is a prison librarian and that prison inmates might retaliate on his family, if the get his real name. Why? He doesn't make that clear; seems he is perceived of as too strict in the library.

His scholarship is no place, absolutely zilch, despite his long-winded articles. He admits he has had no formal training in theology, biblical studies, church history, or any related areas. He does not know biblical languages or any foreign language. With me, and with others, he is generally quite rude, but couldn't take it when I dished it back to him. (This explains his ability to set up one of the best Resurrection cases for Jesus Christ on the net? Uhh, I wonder how much this guy truly knows about JP Holding's knowledge on these subjects. Never be too quick to judge a book by its cover.)

Gee, you sure picked a real character!!

I have an APB out all over the web just to get his real name and identity; no luck yet.

Blair Reynolds"


"Ah, but wait! You did this to his -- his pen name! That makes all the difference in the world, as far as I am concerned (even if it becomes a trademark infringement to use that particular letter sequence).

So the question becomes, is this his Service Mark? meaning, is this the Fictitious Name of his company? If so, has he registered it as such? in every state of the Union? If not, then you might want to grab some money and get on it: register it in all 50 states as your fictitious name, describing it as the name of your out-of-work clown character who very occasionally does adult performances for parties, etc.: Amazing Rope Tricks! "Hide 'N' Seek" Games for the Youngster in Everybody! Simulated Dungeon!

Am I sick, or what?

Hey, I just hate clowns! Don't you? I mean --

James Patrick Holding,
Executive Producer,
The "Positive Atheism" Project
Eight years of service to people
with no reason to believe"


I simply told him if he can use the alias James Patrick Holding, well then, so can I; and off I went and really dumped on some conservative groups on line, referring all their complaints right straight back to him. (http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8414.htm...whats positive about it?)

This unfortunately is what we get when we commit a genetic fallacy. A genetic fallacy is a logical fallacy based on the irrelevant appraisal of something based on its origin. The actual issue is whether he's a fundamentally coherent Apologist. The answer to this is yes, and many credentialed scholars promote this gentleman. Ever heard of judging a book by its cover? This would be it. Another issue is, have we ever heard of "Ad Hominem" attacks? Well this is ad hominem at its worst. All of this over a name? Accusations and bald assertions (Especially in the case of someone whos biggest influence was Glenn Miller concerning Biblical training) against someone due to their name and "lack of credentials" is nothing more than ignoring the fact that the gentleman making these assertions obviously has no credentials to back up his own argument. If I had to guess, my belief would be this gentleman has no idea who JP Holding really is and probably has no credentials of his own to back him up himself. Lets see Mr. Blair Reynolds in a T-Web debate against JP Holding sometime.

As far as Mr. Farrell Till, well he's virtually been exposed as a fraud. The sad part is this is the best anybody can argue against JP Holding. JP Holding admits, "The name is all they have against me. I'll give them that one." What then can be said for his credentials? Well, as is the case in most instance, there is a 2nd side to the story. One that has not come up on the internet that I'm ready to expose now. This is JP Holding's side of the story:

>>>"His scholarship is no place, absolutely zilch, despite his long-winded articles. He admits he has had no formal training in theology, biblical studies, church history, or any related areas. He does not know biblical languages or any foreign language. With me, and with others, he is generally quite rude, but couldn't take it when I dished it back to him." Blair Reynolds I simply told him if he can use the alias James Patrick Holding, well then, so can I; and off I went and really dumped on some conservative groups on line, referring all their complaints right straight back to him. (http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8414.htm...whats positive about it?)

>>>Have you at least addressed this garbage?

Nothing to address, really. That was years ago; he wrote several obscene messages to Mormon and Catholic websites under JPH, but none of them had ever heard of me and nothing happened. As for who couldn't take it, it was him. :-D He's a pagan jerk. I did torment him by email for a while, that's what got him mad.

I don't think I had the resume' online when he did that.

>>>How relevant is library Science to Apologetics?

I'd say very, since both are research.

Well this means that JP Holding is a scholar in textual criticism and this gentleman was too ignorant to realize to ask him this. JP Holding also uses highly credentialed sources in his arguments as well. It seems that JP Holding had the same problem with his name getting smeared by the Pagan jerk Blair Reynolds as I had with the FSM jerk Bobby Henderson also falsely smearing my name on his venganza website. A jerk is a jerk is a jerk though.